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Trump pressed ambassador on status of Ukraine investigations, according to new testimony | CBC News

The U.S. House of Representatives opened impeachment hearings into a president’s actions for just the fourth time in history, as the public began to hear about allegations that Donald Trump and his backers mounted an improper pressure campaign on the Ukraine government.

William Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, testified on Wednesday that Trump was overheard asking about “the investigations” he wanted Ukraine to pursue that are central to the impeachment inquiry.

Taylor said his staff recently told him they overheard the U.S. president when they were meeting with the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, at a Kyiv restaurant, the day after Trump’s July 25 phone call with the new leader of Ukraine.

The staff explained that Sondland had called the president from the restaurant and they could hear Trump on the phone asking about “the investigations.” The ambassador told the president the Ukrainians were ready to move forward, Taylor testified.

Taylor said he was told Trump wanted the Ukrainian leader “in a public box” by making the statement.

Trump told reporters last week he “hardly” knows Sondland.

Bill Taylor focuses on phone call in which President Trump is advised about investigations he wanted Ukraine to pursue 1:02

Adam Schiff, chair of the intelligence committee, said in his opening statement the hearings would affect “not only the future of this presidency, but the future of the presidency itself, and what kind of conduct or misconduct the American people may come to expect from their commander-in-chief.”

Schiff, a California Democrat, alleged there was a concerted campaign operating outside the normal parameters of diplomacy to pressure Ukraine into announcing a pair of investigations the Trump administration desired. Schiff said that campaign left recently departed national security adviser John Bolton aghast.

Democrats ‘turned on a dime’: Nunes

Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the committee, dismissed the foundations of the investigation, characterizing it as a continuation of a partisan campaign to remove Trump from office that began in 2017 with a probe into allegations of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and transition teams and Russia.

“After the spectacular implosion of their Russia hoax on July 24, in which they spent years denouncing any Republican who ever shook hands with a Russian, on July 25 they turned on a dime and now claim the real malfeasance is Republicans’ dealings with Ukraine,” said Nunes, of California.

Top Republican on panel, Devin Nunes, blasts ‘spectacle’ of impeachment process ‘in search of a crime’ 0:59

He described the closed-door testimony that has been ongoing for several weeks since September as taking place in a “cult-like atmosphere.”

It has been alleged that Trump and his allies, led by his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, pressured Ukraine leader Volodomyr Zelensky — including in a July 25 phone call between the presidents that triggered a whistleblower complaint — to investigate 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who served on the board of Ukraine energy company Burisma, for corruption.

As well, Trump requested that Zelensky’s officials investigate if Ukraine entities allied with the Hillary Clinton campaign during the 2016 presidential election were involved in the hacking of Democratic National Committee emails. A Republican-led Senate committee, among others, ascribe that breach to Russian actors.

The overriding question is whether Trump withheld $391 million US in military and security aid to Ukraine for nearly two months as he waited for Zelensky to commit to doing his bidding.

Schiff emphasized the vulnerability of Ukraine, which has seen thousands die in the past five years as it has dealt with a Russian-backed military campaign within its borders.

Taylor said while it was “hard to draw any direct lines” to deaths on the battlefield, the financial aid was crucial for the country’s military.

Chair of U.S. House intelligence committee warns about ignoring alleged abuses of power 0:55

Responding to House intelligence committee counsel Daniel Goldman, Taylor said that in his years of experience he had never before seen aid tied to a president’s personal interests.

Nunes said it was imperative the House hear from the whistleblower as well as Hunter Biden, requests the Democrats have denied.

Trump has insisted the call with Zelensky was “perfect.” The White House released a rough summary around the same time the monetary aid was eventually released, in September.

Republican Jim Jordan of Ohio seized on the fact Zelensky never did publicly announce the aforementioned investigations, nor was the financial aid denied.

While Republican counsel Steve Castor got Taylor to admit that Zelensky on July 26 described the phone call with Trump in positive terms, Schiff later got Taylor to admit Zelensky was loathe to be seen as meddling in U.S. domestic affairs.

George Kent, deputy assistant secretary of state for European affairs, testified there was no talk from the U.S. administration about helping Ukraine set up an anti-corruption unit or for other investigations related to the Eastern European nation beyond the Biden and Ukraine server probes.

Witnesses dismiss partisan motives

Trump tweeted Wednesday that the witnesses were “NEVER TRUMPERS,” but there has been no evidence suggesting they engaged in partisan activity.

Kent, in his opening statement, decried what he described as personal attacks on U.S. officials who have decided to testify.

George Kent testifies Giuliani and ‘corrupt’ former prosecutors ran smear campaign against U.S. ambassador 1:05

Taylor emphasized his decades of work for both Republican and Democratic administrations.

“I am not here to take one side or the other, or advocate for any particular outcome of these proceedings,” he said

Taylor in previous testimony described an “irregular channel” of Ukraine outreach that included Giuliani, Sondland and Energy Secretary Rick Perry. More traditional diplomats on the file were occasionally kept out of the loop, Taylor has said.

“I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” Taylor texted other officials on Sept. 9.

“I believed that then and I believe that now,” Taylor said of that text on Wednesday.

For his part, Kent said he was alarmed by the Giuliani-led efforts to “gin up politically motivated investigations,” specifically mentioning the recently indicted Guiliani associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, as well as two former Ukraine prosecutors who Kent characterized as corrupt and involved in “peddling false information.”

“As a general principle, I do not believe the United States should ask other countries to engage in selective politically associated investigations or prosecutions,” said Kent.

Both parties employed counsel for some questioning of the witnesses. Steve Castor, left, undertook questioning on behalf of House Republicans, while Daniel Goldman did so for the Democrats. ( Saul Loeb/Reuters)

Democrats have been stymied in their request to hear from some desired witnesses, including Giuliani as well as Mick Mulvaney, who is both White House chief of staff and the top budget official. They have refused to comply with subpoenas, while Bolton’s potential participation is still unclear.

“If the president can simply refuse all oversight, particularly in the context of an impeachment proceeding, the balance of power between our two branches of government will be irrevocably altered,” said Schiff. “That is not what the [Constitution] founders intended.”

2 previous impeachments

The U.S. Constitution stipulates the president and other officers of government “shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanours.”

The House could eventually debate and vote on whether to bring charges, or articles of impeachment, that have been recommended. A simple majority of the House’s 435 members would lead to an impeachment resolution.

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A trial in the Senate, where Republicans have the majority, could then ensue.

Only two U.S. presidents have been impeached by the House: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Neither was convicted in a subsequent Senate trial. Articles of impeachment were drafted in 1974, but after recordings implicated him in the Watergate break-in, Richard Nixon resigned before a House vote took place.

Nine more witnesses so far are scheduled to appear at the hearings through next week, beginning with Marie Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine ousted in the spring, on Friday.

Democrats got Kent and Taylor to agree there was a smear campaign directed at Yovanovitch, the type they’d never seen before in their experience.

One potential complication to the momentum the Democrats hope to build is that the U.S. government needs a funding bill to avoid a shutdown after Nov. 21.

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